The Audio Diaries: Hyper-Empathy & Anticipatory Grief
Jesse shares a personal account of hyper-empathy, anticipatory grief, and what an internal alert system can feel like in daily life.
Conversations for people who lead differently at work
The Divergent Leader is a neurodiversity podcast for people who feel misread at work and leaders questioning the rules around them. Hear candid conversations about what individuals carry and what organizations can change.
All episodes
-
-
The Alert System: Reclaiming the Human Side of Hyper-Empathy (Part 1)
Jesse and Wendy explore hyper-empathy, predictive intuition, emotional boundaries, and ways to process intense emotional information in leadership.
-
The Human Experience: Survival, Systems, and the Outlier Leader
Explore masking, survival, and the human experience of leading as a divergent thinker in systems built around standard ways of working.
-
Bottom up vs Top down
Explore bottom-up processing, literal thinking, and how complementary cognitive styles shape team design, decision-making, and leadership.
-
Perception vs. Reality – The Divergent Leader Advantage
Explore how workplace bias, masking, communication styles, and systems thinking shape the gap between perception and reality for neurodivergent leaders.
-
The Origin of the Divergent Mind
Meet The Divergent Leader as Jesse Flores and Wendy Rochon discuss corporate masking, burnout, and what it means to lead with a divergent mind.
Bring your perspective to the podcast
We welcome ideas from people with a clear perspective on leadership, cognitive difference, or the conditions shaping work. Tell us what you want to explore and why the conversation matters.
The form has four short steps and takes about five minutes. You can move back and review your answers before submitting.
About you
Step 1 of 4
Your application has been submitted
We review every guest application ourselves. If we think the conversation could be a good fit for the podcast, we’ll contact you by email, usually within a few days.