--- title: Workplace Dynamics and Self-Trust for Divergent Leaders description: Explore pattern recognition, boundaries, and self-trust when neurodivergent ways of working are misread in workplace power dynamics. image: https://thedivergentleader.org/hubfs/website/imagery/podcast/podcast-cover-image.webp --- [Skip to content](http://thedivergentleader.org/resources/workplace-dynamics-self-trust#main-content) [Skip to main menu](http://thedivergentleader.org/resources/workplace-dynamics-self-trust#main-menu) [Skip to footer](http://thedivergentleader.org/resources/workplace-dynamics-self-trust#footer-menu) A marketplace built around access, not assumptions · [Help shape it](http://thedivergentleader.org/marketplace) [![the-divergent-leader-logo-primary](https://thedivergentleader.org/hubfs/website/branding/logos/the-divergent-leader-logo-primary.svg)](http://thedivergentleader.org/) - [Listen](http://thedivergentleader.org/resources/tag/podcast) - [Our Framework](http://thedivergentleader.org/neurodivergent-leadership-framework) - [Learn](http://thedivergentleader.org/resources/tag/blog) - [About](http://thedivergentleader.org/about) [Invite us to speak](http://thedivergentleader.org/invite-us-to-speak) [![the-divergent-leader-logo-primary](https://thedivergentleader.org/hubfs/website/branding/logos/the-divergent-leader-logo-primary.svg)](http://thedivergentleader.org/) - [Listen](http://thedivergentleader.org/resources/tag/podcast) - [Our Framework](http://thedivergentleader.org/neurodivergent-leadership-framework) - [Learn](http://thedivergentleader.org/resources/tag/blog) - [About](http://thedivergentleader.org/about) [Invite us to speak](http://thedivergentleader.org/invite-us-to-speak) A marketplace built around access, not assumptions · [Help shape it](http://thedivergentleader.org/marketplace) 1. [Home](http://thedivergentleader.org/) 2. · 3. [Podcast](http://thedivergentleader.org/resources/tag/podcast) 4. · 5. Workplace Dynamics & Self-Trust 15 The Divergent Leader Podcast # Workplace Dynamics & Self-Trust 31 July 2026 · 35 min 42 sec Explore pattern recognition, boundaries, and self-trust when neurodivergent ways of working are misread in workplace power dynamics. Loading player… ## Share - Copy link to this episode - [Share on LinkedIn](https://www.linkedin.com/sharing/share-offsite/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fthedivergentleader.org%2Fresources%2Fworkplace-dynamics-self-trust) - Email this episode #### Get new episodes in your inbox. This week, we dig into what happens when neurodivergent ways of working get misread on the job. Inspired by a magazine article on neurodiversity and relationship dynamics. We break down how to use pattern recognition to handle office power dynamics without taking things personally, while walking through what it actually takes to set hard boundaries, trust your gut, and stop carrying everyone else's opinion home with you. Note: The reference to neurodivergent kids hearing up to 20,000 more negative critiques than their peers by age 12 comes from clinical research by Dr. William Dodson on ADHD and neurodevelopmental conditioning. ## Speakers - ![Jesse Flores](https://thedivergentleader.org/hs-fs/hubfs/website/imagery/podcast/jesse-flores-headshot.webp?width=140&height=140&name=jesse-flores-headshot.webp) ### Jesse Flores Co-founder [Jesse on LinkedIn](https://www.linkedin.com/in/jesse-flores-45a724139/) - ![Wendy Rochan](https://thedivergentleader.org/hs-fs/hubfs/website/imagery/podcast/wendy-rochan-headshot.webp?width=140&height=140&name=wendy-rochan-headshot.webp) ### Wendy Rochan Co-founder [Wendy on LinkedIn](https://www.linkedin.com/in/wendy-rochon-7b62a769/) Podcast guest applications ## Bring your perspective to the podcast We welcome ideas from people with a clear perspective on leadership, cognitive difference, or the conditions shaping work. Tell us what you want to explore and why the conversation matters. The form has four short steps and takes about five minutes. You can move back and review your answers before submitting. About you Step 1 of 4 1. About you 2. Your idea 3. How you work 4. Anything else About you ### First, who are you? The quick part. First name Required Last name Required Job title (optional) Organization (optional) Email Required This is the only way we reply. We do not call unannounced. Phone number (optional) Only if you would rather we called. How you found us ### How did you find us? How did you hear about us? Required Search engine Social media A friend or colleague The podcast An event or talk Other What do you or your organisation do? Required Two or three sentences is plenty. What you would bring ### What would you bring? What topic, story or insight would you bring? Required One concrete thing is better than a list. What would a listener take away from it? Required Our audience are managers and the people who work with them. How does your personal or organisational mission align with ours? Required How would you highlight the Divergent Advantage through your story or work? (optional) Background and what you want ### A bit more about you What is your connection to neurodivergence or divergent leadership? (optional) Lived experience Professional expertise Advocacy Business / organisational interest Other How did you come to this work? (optional) Share as much or as little as you like. You do not need to tell us anything about yourself to come on the podcast. Have you done other podcasts or media? Required Yes No Please share one or two links or examples (optional) What are you hoping to get from it? Required Be straight with us — every one of these is a fine answer. Anything else you'd like us to know about your goals? (optional) By ticking the box below, you agree to receive communications from The Divergent Leader. You can unsubscribe at any time. I agree to receive other communications from The Divergent Leader. We care about your privacy. Learn how we handle your data in our Privacy Policy. To deliver your service, we need your permission to store and process your personal data. Do not fill this in Back Continue ## Your application has been submitted We review every guest application ourselves. If we think the conversation could be a good fit for the podcast, we’ll contact you by email, usually within a few days. ## More episodes [14 Self Accountability and the Reset Blueprint Matrix 37 min 52 sec · Jul 10, 2026 Listen to episode](http://thedivergentleader.org/resources/self-accountability-and-the-reset-blueprint-matrix) [13 How Advanced Pattern Recognition Predicts the Future 47 min 56 sec · Jun 23, 2026 Listen to episode](http://thedivergentleader.org/resources/how-advanced-pattern-recognition-predicts-the-future) [12 Zero-Mask Environments: Helping Our Kids Find 'Safe Friends' 6 min 55 sec · Jun 19, 2026 Listen to episode](http://thedivergentleader.org/resources/zero-mask-environments-helping-our-kids-find-safe-friends) [![the-divergent-leader-three-tier-logo-primary](https://thedivergentleader.org/hubfs/website/branding/logos/the-divergent-leader-three-tier-logo-primary.svg)](http://thedivergentleader.org/) We change the working week, not the person. Listen & Learn - [Podcast](http://thedivergentleader.org/resources/tag/podcast) - [Blog](http://thedivergentleader.org/resources/tag/blog) Work with Us - [Our Framework](http://thedivergentleader.org/neurodivergent-leadership-framework) - [Resources](http://thedivergentleader.org/resources) - [Speaking](http://thedivergentleader.org/guest-application) About - [Who is behind this](http://thedivergentleader.org/about) - [Marketplace](http://thedivergentleader.org/marketplace) - [Invite us to Speak](http://thedivergentleader.org/invite-us-to-speak) © 2026 The Divergent Leader - [Privacy Policy](http://thedivergentleader.org/privacy-policy) - [Cookie Policy](http://thedivergentleader.org/cookie-policy) ```json { "@context" : "https://schema.org", "@id" : "http://thedivergentleader.org/#organization", "@type" : "Organization", "logo" : { "@type" : "ImageObject", "url" : "https://149095131.fs1.hubspotusercontent-eu1.net/hubfs/149095131/website/branding/logos/the-divergent-leader-logo-primary.svg" }, "name" : "thedivergentleader.org", "url" : "http://thedivergentleader.org" } ``` ```json { "@context" : "https://schema.org", "@id" : "http://thedivergentleader.org/#website", "@type" : "WebSite", "inLanguage" : "en-us", "name" : "thedivergentleader.org", "publisher" : { "@id" : "http://thedivergentleader.org/#organization" }, "url" : "http://thedivergentleader.org" } ``` ```json { "@context" : "https://schema.org", "@type" : "Article", "author" : [ { "@type" : "Person", "name" : "Jesse Flores", "url" : "http://thedivergentleader.org/resources/author/jesse-flores" } ], "dateModified" : "2026-08-28T19:42:16+0000", "datePublished" : "2026-07-31T14:00:00+0000", "description" : "Explore pattern recognition, boundaries, and self-trust when neurodivergent ways of working are misread in workplace power dynamics.", "headline" : "Workplace Dynamics and Self-Trust for Divergent Leaders", "image" : [ "https://149095131.fs1.hubspotusercontent-eu1.net/hubfs/149095131/website/imagery/podcast/podcast-cover-image.webp" ], "inLanguage" : "en-us", "isPartOf" : { "@id" : "http://thedivergentleader.org/#website" }, "mainEntityOfPage" : { "@id" : "http://thedivergentleader.org/resources/workplace-dynamics-self-trust" }, "publisher" : { "@id" : "http://thedivergentleader.org/#organization" } } ``` ```json { "@context" : "https://schema.org", "@type" : "BlogPosting", "author" : { "@type" : "Person", "name" : "Jesse Flores", "url" : "http://thedivergentleader.org/resources/author/jesse-flores" }, "dateModified" : "2026-08-28T19:42:16.762Z", "datePublished" : "2026-07-31T14:00:00.000Z", "headline" : "Workplace Dynamics and Self-Trust for Divergent Leaders", "image" : [ "https://thedivergentleader.org/hubfs/website/imagery/podcast/podcast-cover-image.webp" ], "mainEntityOfPage" : { "@id" : "http://thedivergentleader.org/resources/workplace-dynamics-self-trust", "@type" : "WebPage" }, "publisher" : { "@type" : "Organization", "logo" : { "@type" : "ImageObject", "url" : "https://thedivergentleader.org/hubfs/website/branding/logos/the-divergent-leader-logo-primary.svg" }, "name" : "The Divergent Leader" } } ``` ```json { "@context" : "https://schema.org", "@type" : "BreadcrumbList", "itemListElement" : [ { "@type" : "ListItem", "item" : "http:///", "name" : "Home", "position" : 1 }, { "@type" : "ListItem", "item" : "http:///resources/tag/podcast", "name" : "Podcast", "position" : 2 }, { "@type" : "ListItem", "item" : "http://http://thedivergentleader.org/resources/workplace-dynamics-self-trust", "name" : "Workplace Dynamics & Self-Trust", "position" : 3 } ] } ``` ```json { "@context" : "https://schema.org", "@id" : "http://http://thedivergentleader.org/resources/workplace-dynamics-self-trust#episode", "@type" : "PodcastEpisode", "associatedMedia" : { "@type" : "MediaObject", "contentUrl" : "https://open.spotify.com/episode/4OH8B8sQoW6IbWg8QpDG1u?si=RHEVRLIeTKOsoyfQ4uWPOw" }, "datePublished" : "2026-07-31T14:00:00+0000", "description" : "Explore pattern recognition, boundaries, and self-trust when neurodivergent ways of working are misread in workplace power dynamics.", "episodeNumber" : 15, "image" : "https://149095131.fs1.hubspotusercontent-eu1.net/hubfs/149095131/website/imagery/podcast/podcast-cover-image.webp", "inLanguage" : "en-us", "name" : "Workplace Dynamics & Self-Trust", "partOfSeries" : { "@id" : "http:///#podcast", "@type" : "PodcastSeries", "name" : " Podcast", "url" : "http:///resources/tag/podcast" }, "publisher" : { "@id" : "http:///#organization" }, "sameAs" : [ "https://open.spotify.com/episode/4OH8B8sQoW6IbWg8QpDG1u?si=RHEVRLIeTKOsoyfQ4uWPOw" ], "timeRequired" : "PT35M", "url" : "http://http://thedivergentleader.org/resources/workplace-dynamics-self-trust" } ``` ```json { "@context" : "https://schema.org", "@type" : "ItemList", "itemListElement" : [ { "@type" : "ListItem", "name" : "Self Accountability and the Reset Blueprint Matrix", "position" : 1, "url" : "http://thedivergentleader.org/resources/self-accountability-and-the-reset-blueprint-matrix" }, { "@type" : "ListItem", "name" : "How Advanced Pattern Recognition Predicts the Future", "position" : 2, "url" : "http://thedivergentleader.org/resources/how-advanced-pattern-recognition-predicts-the-future" }, { "@type" : "ListItem", "name" : "Zero-Mask Environments: Helping Our Kids Find 'Safe Friends'", "position" : 3, "url" : "http://thedivergentleader.org/resources/zero-mask-environments-helping-our-kids-find-safe-friends" } ], "itemListOrder" : "http://schema.org/ItemListOrderAscending", "name" : "More episodes" } ```